drew
2003-11-24 14:31:01 |
Herons formula
Out of curiosity has anyone derived herons formula? |
SilverKnight
2003-11-24 14:35:48 |
Re: Herons formula
yeah.... Heron did. |
SilverKnight
2003-11-24 14:42:09 |
Re: Herons formula
You can find a proof of Heron's formula at:
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/54957.html, and
http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/ProofOfHeronsFormula.html |
Victor Zapana
2003-11-24 17:01:30 |
Re: Herons formula
smary answer sk... Heron did... well i have the paper of deriving it... but im too lazy to scan it or type it up here lol |
Victor Zapana
2003-11-24 17:01:47 |
Re: Herons formula
hmm.. i cant spell (to above post) smart* |
Victor Zapana
2003-11-24 17:03:56 |
Re: Herons formula
Can someone derive Stewart's Theorem for me? i forgot how to... just for those who don't know what i mean its the MAN + DAD = BMB + CNC with the cevian and the triangle... sorry for being so nondescriptive. |
drew
2003-11-24 20:16:48 |
Re: Herons formula
another question for curiosity was heron the guys name or what? |
drew
2003-11-24 20:20:32 |
Re: Herons formula
to silver knight those proofs are mean anyone got some that does not use the law of cosines?
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drew
2003-11-24 20:23:15 |
Re: Herons formula
oh yah i forgot to ask if anyone has created a program that factors equations for a graphing calculator. No i am not in algebra 2........ i wont cheat |
Victor Zapana
2003-11-24 21:07:24 |
Re: Herons formula
hold on til tomorrow drew i have the paper in my locker in my school. it has the derivation to the herons formula using no trig rule. so wait. patience is a virture |
drew
2003-11-24 21:56:58 |
Re: Herons formula
ok thnx i take it my other questions will not be awnsered? |
Victor Zapana
2003-11-26 17:13:13 |
Re: Herons formula
hmm ok.. sry for doing this so late. yesterday i was slightly ill.. so i dint have the strength to do it yesterday but today is fine.
There is a triangle, with sides a, b, c. The altitude h is made so that a is the base. Altitude h splits a into parts p and q. c is to the left of the altitude, and so it p. b is the right of the altitude, and so is q. Thats the triangle and all the sides needed to prove Herons formula
h= c^2 - p^2 = b^2 - q^2 (important equation needed to be used later)
- p^2 = b^2 - q^2 - c^2
q^2 - p^2 = b^2 - c^2 = (q + p)(q - p)
q + p = a (because p and q are the 2 parts that make up side a)
b^2 - c^2 = a(q - p)= aq - ap (now leave alone for just a second)
a^2 = a(p + q) = ap + aq
a^2 + b^2 - c^2 = 2aq (important equation needed to be used later)
(Area of Triangle) K= (1/2)(a)(h)
K^2 = (1/4)(a^2)(h^2)
16K^2 = (16)(1/4)(a^2)(h^2)
= 4(a^2)(h^2)
= 4(a^2)(b^2 - q^2) (this is from above equation)
= 4(a^2)(b^2) - 4(a^2)(q^2)
= (2ab + 2aq) (2ab - 2aq)
= (2ab + a^2 + b^2 - c^2) (2ab - a^2 - b^2 + c^2) (from above equation)
= (a^2 + 2ab + b^2 - c^2) (c^2 - a^2 + 2ab - b^2)
= ((a + b)^2 - c^2) (c^2 - (a - b)^2) (Now factor)
16K^2 = (a + b + c)(a + b - c)(c + a - b)(c - a + b)
K^2 = [(a + b + c)(a + b - c)(c + a - b)(c - a + b)]/16
K^2 = [(a + b + c)/2] [(a + b - c)/2] [(c + a - b)/2] [(c - a + b)/2]
Lets say s = [(a + b + c)/2] (semi-perimeter)
K^2 = (s)(s - c)(s - b)(s - a)
K = sqrt[s(s - c)(s - b)(s - a)]
There ya go. enjoy :) |
Victor Zapana
2003-11-27 11:20:41 |
Re: Herons formula
er my bad the first equation is h^2 = blah blah blah, not h = blah blah blah, now the proof makes sense |
drew
2003-11-27 11:24:05 |
Re: Herons formula
could you make it any longer?
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Victor Zapana
2003-11-27 23:25:06 |
Re: Herons formula
lol... u wanted it without trig so here. it cant be shortened me thinks |