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levik
2003-11-24 12:46:53
Do we need a chat?

So I built a chat engine for avatarity (the site you go to to get avatars for here).

It seems to work OK, with no need for Flash or Java (all you need is a relatively modern browser)

I am considering adding such a thing to perplexus as well. The way it works right now is you open the window, and just keep it open. It will focus itself when a new user enters the chatroom. You would need to be logged in to use it.

I'm not sure how much interest there is in a thing like that - people are constantly trying to use chatterbox for an insta-chat, but unlike chatterbox a chatroom doesn't show you any messages typed in prior to your arrival.

SilverKnight
2003-11-24 13:27:21
Re: Do we need a chat?

I think that would be great!

I'm curious... if no java or flash, is this going to "auto-refresh" every 5 seconds or something....? If so, aren't you at all worried about network/server load?

- SK

Sam
2003-11-24 14:15:27
Re: Do we need a chat?

I agree, it would be a great addition.

Why no java? Almost all browsers support it nowadays, don't they? Or is it more of a programming issue?

drew
2003-11-24 14:25:59
Re: Do we need a chat?

I personally would enjoy a chat engine that is more useful then chatter box. I know if i try to talk to somone online they never see the message in the chatter box. If programming is an issue i could help you there but i would prefer that you do not do this in java since the schools computers do not support it.

drew
2003-11-24 14:26:51
Re: Do we need a chat?

I personally would enjoy a chat engine that is more useful then chatter box. I know if i try to talk to somone online they never see the message in the chatter box. If programming is an issue i could help you there but i would prefer that you do not do this in java since the schools computers do not support it.

drew
2003-11-24 14:27:37
Re: Do we need a chat?

oops i guess it posted twice???
could be the crappy school computers.

Gamer
2003-11-24 15:11:20
Re: Do we need a chat?

It seems like java is the thing to use on web pages, but it looks fine; levik doesn't seem to need help.

I think anything we want done we could do on the forums pertaining to perplexus. That way everyone could see the equestions asked and we wouldn't have to answer the same questions over and over.

levik
2003-11-24 15:14:19
Re: Do we need a chat?

Well, at least everybody sees a chatterbox on most pages - you'd have to actually go into the chat page in order to see the messages.

It would be better if you want to have a conversation, but not any better for sending a message to somebody.

I personally think Java applets are clunky (I love java on the server side, and work with it on the daily basis as part of my job). Feel free to check out the avatarity chat - it's doing a form of refreshes, but I think the overhead should be minimal and not noticable.

levik
2003-11-25 18:21:16
Re: Do we need a chat?

So has anybody (other than Gamer) had the chance to check out the chat feature on avatarity? If so, let me know if something like that would be useful for flooble. Most of the code is already done, so migrating would not be too much trouble, but I don't want to bloat the site with yet another means of communication if nobody's gonna use it.

SilverKnight
2003-11-25 20:22:10
Re: Do we need a chat?

Levik, personally, I think the value comes from knowing who is on the site... and being able to "pop up" a message to that person. Of course, then the person should be able to indicate whether or not he is willing to receive such popups... better yet.... have an explicit grant list, explicit deny list, and an all the rest (on/off)... but now we're pretty much talking about reproducing ICQ :-)

If one has to go to a separate page... I think it will be a novelty, but not used much.

(All that said, I haven't yet looked at it on Avatarity.)

drew
2003-11-25 20:26:46
Re: Do we need a chat?

yah i agree with silver knight we should have a way of contacting. maybe we could have a mail letter popup in the top left corner so that if you are trying to read somthing you arent interupted. maybe if the person clicks on it it opens a window that could chat, and you could also have an X to close it.
maybe?????

Gamer
2003-11-25 20:56:20
Re: Do we need a chat?

If people check their e-mail, we can just do it that way instead. No need to clutter the flooble systems! :)

Alan
2003-11-25 21:02:24
Re: Do we need a chat?

One thing to note is that the chat ability should be restricted to either the second or third rank. i don't want nubs saying "yo sup" to me and trying to find about my personal life.

SilverKnight
2003-11-25 21:06:20
Re: Do we need a chat?

Alan, that's why I wrote earlier the person should be able to indicate whether or not he is willing to receive such popups... better yet.... have an explicit grant list, explicit deny list, and an all the rest (on/off).......

Seems better than only allowing 2nd/3rd rank from using it.

levik
2003-11-26 08:04:54
Re: Do we need a chat?

Hmmm... I doubt we need something that advanced here. For a while, I was considering an email-like system (similar to PMs on many forums)

But eventualy it kinda got lost in among the more neccessary features.

drew
2003-11-26 14:15:16
Re: Do we need a chat?

I believe that i would like to contact silver knight right now but i have no way. It would be good if I would be able to IM him but he is online and i am online and i cant contact him

SilverKnight
2003-11-26 14:16:14
Re: Do we need a chat?

WHEW!!!! Thank goodness for anonymity! :-)

drew
2003-11-26 14:27:42
Re: Do we need a chat?

lol
be mean to the high schooler will you???
it would be cool if i could talk to somone smarter then me because i have been trying to find a proof for herons formula that is efficient and that i can understand. People have yet to awnser my request. At least if I could bug the hell i mean heck out of Sk i might get an awnser

SilverKnight
2003-11-26 14:31:06
Re: Do we need a chat?

More evidence for the need of an explicit "do not contact me" list! :-)

(And you're probably barking up the wrong tree if you're lookin' for a smart guy.)

As to Heron's formula... one generally should have a good understanding and foundation of trigonometry before tackling that one.... I'm guessing that you have not yet completed that course. If I'm correct, pick up a good trigonometric text and do a little self-studying... it'll provide those answers.

drew
2003-11-26 14:33:19
Re: Do we need a chat?

I found a proof that uses no trig... but i cant understand it it uses higher mathematics oh good at least i can spell. Anyway i am in Algebra II and we only go over a touch of trig. dont tell me its not out there. its the internet thats what we made it for. besides I think you are flat outt wrong...You are a smart guy.

SilverKnight
2003-11-26 14:36:27
Re: Do we need a chat?

I'm guessing you found a solution involving matrices.... but you'll find that matrices actually can be interpreted as encoded vectors, rotations, angles, etc... so they are sortuv another way of doing trigonometry (and much more).

Either way, I think trigonometry and analytic geometry (and vector calculus) will help a lot towards your understanding.

drew
2003-11-26 14:38:39
Re: Do we need a chat?

no matricies
i which i could show you the site i had
it had a formula which was algebra 2 level but it made a jump that confused me a little bit and i was trying to find an easier one. I believe there is one and i think i will just have to proove it myself to proove to youk

SilverKnight
2003-11-26 14:39:24
Re: Do we need a chat?

you could, uh, like, uh, provide a link...er.. or something...

drew
2003-11-26 14:41:44
Re: Do we need a chat?

i told you i cant oh wait hold on next post will have link.

drew
2003-11-26 14:43:22
Re: Do we need a chat?

www.newton.dep.anl.gov/newton/askasci/1993/math/MATH002.HTM

SilverKnight
2003-11-26 14:50:45
Re: Do we need a chat?

At first glance, this looks correct, and you're right... assuming you take for granted the Pythagorean Theorem, then this solution works without introducing trigonometric functions.

What do you take issue with?

Gamer
2003-11-26 20:50:29
Re: Do we need a chat?

I do believe that's what e-mail is for, as I have said before. That's a way to contact people! That's where you could have continued this ranting on! I think it's fine to keep 2 e-mails, so you could have 1 for people on the web and 1 for other people.

SilverKnight
2003-11-26 23:03:25
Re: Do we need a chat?

well.... actually... don't you think this would be a good one for the reference forum (rather than the commons forum? Either way, I do.

Tristan
2003-11-27 01:05:27
Re: Do we need a chat?

I find e-mail relatively slow. Many people don't check their e-mail very often. Also, on my e-mail at least, I'd have to log off and on to receive new messages. Many of us wouldn't like to put the effort into making another e-mail account. I don't get enough e-mail to come close to filling my first e-mail account. While e-mail might be fine for you, it's not necessarily the best way for everyone. And that doesn't mean they wouldn't like to chat, it just means they wouldn't want to use e-mail to chat.

drew
2003-11-27 11:34:51
Re: Do we need a chat?

I agree with Tristan. I would feel uncomfortable giving my email to people on the web (especially all of the porn emails I would get from SK) I would also not like to make a new email because it would be to much of a hassle. SK i have finally found a proof that i can understand so i am good.

SilverKnight
2004-05-26 02:25:10
Re: Do we need a chat?

Revisiting this thread...

YES WE SHOULD HAVE A CHAT... (sorry for the yelling, I'm having a volume control issue today.) Any seconds or thirds?

Captain Paradox
2004-05-26 09:42:43
Re: Do we need a chat?

  I SECOND THE MOTION . . . but we'd need some sort of profanity control system. Maybe an asterik machine like Runescape's?

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