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Thunderstorm (Posted on 2019-02-05) Difficulty: 4 of 5
The time between seeing a lightning flash and hearing the resulting thunder gives an accurate estimate of the distance to its location. During one storm a meteorologist observes 29 such flashes, and calculates the distances in miles as follows:

6.02, 3.01, 0.69, 3.38, 2.01, 4.69, 3.54, 3.67, 3.67, 4.55, 5.79, 3.72, 1.05, 3.73, 3.98, 7.28, 2.10, 2.90, 6.95, 6.18, 7.20, 4.89, 6.60, 2.53, 2.09, 1.30, 1.81, 4.75, 6.91

Assume that the cloud is circular, is not moving, and that the lightning strikes are uniformly distributed through the cloud. Determine the diameter of the cloud.

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This is a wonderful problem (which means I am struggling with it :-) ) 
An approximation to the diameter of the cloud is max - min = 7.28 - 0.69 = 6.6 miles and that the near cloud edge is 0.69 miles away. In reality the cloud is both a little bigger and a little closer since the likelihood of a nearest and furthest edge-flash are near 0.

The solution involves 2 steps:

1) for a cloud of radius r and distance D there is a function 
prob(d) that a part of the cloud at distance "d" reports, and this is 
proportional to the arc length (opening angle theta(r,D,d) ) within the cloud at distance d.

2) A least squares fit of the data (the histogram distribution of 29 "d"s)  to the function prob(d) (a function of r and D) gives  optimal r and D. I.e., the partial derivative of the sum squared error is set to 0 to minimize the error for the best r and D.  

I have decided it is easier to simulate, make a grid of D and r and 
find the best match to the histogram in the least square sense. 
binning distances 0. - 0.5, 0.5 - 1.0 ... 7.5-8 miles gives 
0 1 2 1 3 2 2 6 1 3 0 1 2 3 2 0 which sum to 29 strikes. Note that the data is sparse. A million hits for example would give a smooth function with a well defined maximum, width and shape. We do not have that here, but instead we have small number statistics. So the analytic approach would be somewhat overkill. A simulation seems in order.  

Initial results show that having the researcher outside the cloud does not work - the histogram would not be so peaked but rather fairly uniform.  So the researcher is likely inside the border of the cloud. 

Ah, and the cloud, being a cloud, is up in the air, (duh). This helps make the histogram peak near the cloud altitude. 

Edited on February 7, 2019, 3:30 pm
  Posted by Steven Lord on 2019-02-06 16:42:25

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