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Age of ages (2) (Posted on 2022-01-08) Difficulty: 3 of 5
Determine the present ages of each of the three siblings Toby, Julie and Melanie from the following clues:
  1. 10 years from now Toby will be twice as old as Julie was when Melanie was 9 times as old as Toby.
  2. 8 years ago, Melanie was half as old as Julie will be when Julie is 1 year older than Toby will be at the time when Melanie will be 5 times as old as Toby will be 2 years from now.
  3. When Toby was 1 year old, Melanie was 3 years older than Toby will be when Julie is 3 times as old as Melanie was 6 years before the time when Julie was half as old as Toby will be when Melanie will be 10 years older than Melanie was when Julie was one-third as old as Toby will be when Melanie will be 3 times as old as she was when Julie was born.

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soln | Comment 5 of 6 |
Bottom line: J = 8,  M = 15,  T = 3

BTW, This problem beautifully demonstrates why students tend to hate word problems
Also, note, my 1st post had some arithmetic errors. This one is solid.

Let T, J, and M be their current ages.
(All the derivations below are done with slow simple steps to avoid errors)

Statement 1, Introduces: P1
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10 years from now Toby will be twice as old 
as Julie was when... (let P1 be the number of years ago)
T + 10 = 2(J-P1)
...Melanie was 9 times as old as Toby.
M - P1 = 9(T - P1)
M - P1 = 9T - 9P1
8P1 = 9T - M
P1 = (9T - M)/8
Going back:
T + 10 = 2(J - [9T - M]/8)
8T + 80 = 16J - 18T + 2M
16J + 2M - 26T = 80
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8J + M - 13T = 40
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Statement 2, Introduces: F1, F2
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Let the first "will be" be F1 years in the future.
Let the 2nd and 3rd "will be"s be F2 years in the future.
(The 4th "will be" is 2 years explicitly 2 years from now.)
8 years ago, Melanie was half as old as Julie will be... 
2(M - 8) = J + F1,
...when Julie is 1 year older than Toby will be... 
J + F1 = 1 + (T + F2)
(First, get eqn. in terms of F1)
F1 = -J + T + F2 + 1
.... at the time when Melanie will be 5 times 
as old as Toby will be 2 years from now.
M + F2 = 5(T + 2)
F2 =  -M + 5T + 10
Substituting into expression for F1:
F1 = -J + T - M + 5T + 10 + 1 
F1 = -J - M + 6T + 11
And, going back to the 1st eqn:
2(M - 8) = J - J - M + 6T + 11
2M - 16 = -M + 6T + 11
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3M - 6T = 27
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Statement 3, Introduces: F3, P2, F4, P3, F5
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When Toby was 1 year old, ... (T - 1 years ago)
Melanie was 3 years older than... 
M - (T - 1) = 3 + ...
M - T + 1 = 3 + ....
...Toby will be when... ("when" is F3 years in the future)
M - T + 1 = 3 + (T + F3) 
F3 = M - 2T - 2

...Julie is 3 times as old as Melanie was 6 years before   
the time when... (where "the time when" is P2 years before now)
J + F3 = 3(M - P2 - 6)
F3 = -J + 3M - 18 - 3 P2

...when Julie was half as old as Toby will be when ("when" 
here is F4 years into the future)
2(J - P2) = T + F4
2 P2 = 2J - T - F4

...Melanie will be 10 years older than Melanie was... (P3 years ago) 
M + F4 = 10 + (M - P3)
F4 = 10 - P3

...when Julie was one-third as old as Toby will be
(J - P3) = (1/3) (T + F5)
3(J - P3) = T + F5
3 P3 = 3J - T - F5

...when Melanie will be 3 times as old as she was when Julie was born.
M + F5 = 3(M - J)
F5 = 2M - 3J

Working backwards starting from three lines before:
3 P3 = 3J - T - F5
3 P3 = 3J - T - (2M - 3J)
3 P3 = 3J + 3J - 2M - T
3 P3 = 6J - 2M - T 
P3 =  2J - (2/3)M - (1/3)T

F4 = 10 - P3
F4 = 10 -2J + (2/3)M + (1/3)T
F4 = -2J + (2/3)M + (1/3)T + 10

2 P2 = 2J - T - F4 
2 P2 = 2J - T + 2J - (2/3)M - (1/3)T - 10 
2 P2 = 4J - (2/3)M - (4/3)T - 10
P2 = 2J - (1/3)M - (2/3)T - 5

F3 =  -J + 3M - 18 - 3P2
F3 =  -J + 3M - 18 - 6J + M + 2T + 15 
F3 = -7J + 4 M + 2T - 3
F3 = M - 2T - 2
F3 = F3
M - 2T - 2 =  -7J + 4 M + 2T - 3
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7J - 3M - 4T = -1
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(Charlie got this last one, and did so more directly.)

So:
 8J +  M - 13T =  40
      3M -  6T =  27
 7J - 3M -  4T =  -1

(for this - rather than solving the system with determinants or substitution, I just plugged it into Wolfram Alpha.)

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Gives: J = 8  M = 15  T = 3
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Here is the check:
   J     M        T     P1     P2    P3    F1   F2     F3     F4    F5
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  8.0  15.0   3.0   1.5   4.0   5.0   6.0  10.0   7.0   5.0   6.0

Statement 1 Check
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10 years from now, old-aged T will be 13.0
1.5 years ago, M was 13.5, which is 9 times what T was then: 1.5
1.5 years ago J was 6.5, half the age of old-aged T.

Statement 2 Check
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In 2 yrs T is 5.0. In 10.0 yrs, M will be 25.0 yrs, five times older.
At that time, 10.0 from now, T will be 13.0
and 6.0 years from now, J will be will one year 
older than that age, at 14.0 years
8 years ago M was  7.0 which is half of
J's previously quoted age.

Statement 3 Check
------------------------------
In 6.0 yrs, M will be 21.0, which is 3 x 7.0 (her age at J's birth) 
At that time, 6.0 years from now, T will be 9.0
and 5.0 years ago J was 3.0, which is (1/3) T's future age.
5.0 years ago, M was the age 10.0 years old. 
In 5.0 years, she will be 20.0, 10 years older.
5.0 years from now, T will be 8.0. 
4.0 years ago, J was 4.0 which is half T's future age.
4.0 and 6 more years ago, M was 5.0. That is 
(1/3) as old as J will be (15.0) in 7.0 years.
2.0 years ago, when T was 1 year old, 
M was 13.0 years old. Her age then was 3 years less
than T will be 7.0 years from now at age 10.0

(I think this might be enough to discourage some folks from having kids...)

Edited on January 11, 2022, 7:07 pm
  Posted by Steven Lord on 2022-01-11 06:53:33

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