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 A smart prisoner? (Posted on 2004-01-08)
First, I suggest you take a look at this problem, as you may decide that this is very similar! But here's a little twist.
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Three men, Alan, Bob, and Charlie, were in separate cells under sentence of death when the governor decided to pardon one of them. He wrote their names on three slips of paper, shook the slips in a hat, drew out one of them, and telephoned the warden, requesting that the name of the lucky man be kept secret for several days. Rumor of this reached Alan. When the warden made his morning rounds, Alan tried to persuade the warden to tell him who had been pardoned. The warden refused.

"Then tell me," said Alan, "the name of one of the others who will be executed. If Bob is to be pardoned, tell me Charlie. If Charlie is to be pardened, tell me Bob. And if I'm to be pardoned, flip a coin to decide whether to name Bob or Charlie."

"But if you see me flip the coin," replied the wary warden, "you'll know that you're the one pardoned. And if you see that I don't flip a coin, you'll know that it's either you or the person I don't name."

"Then don't tell me now," said Alan. "Tell me tomorrow morning."

The warden, who knew nothing about probability theory, thought it over that night and decided that if he followed the procedure suggested by Alan, it would give Alan no help whatever in estimating his survival chances. So next morning he told Alan that Bob was going to be executed.

After the warden left, Alan smiled to himself at the warden's stupidity. There were now only two equally probable elements in the "sample space" of the problem. Either Charlie would be pardoned or himself, so by all the laws of conditional probability, his chances of survival had gone up from 1/3 to 1/2.

The warden did not know that Alan could communicate with Charlie, in an adjacent cell, by tapping in code on a water pipe. This Alan proceeded to do, explaining to Charlie exactly what he had said to the warden and what the warden had said to him. Charlie was equally overjoyed with the news because he figured, by the same reasoning used by Alan, that his own survival chances has also risen to 1/2.

Did the two men reason correctly? If not, how should each have calculated his chances of being pardoned.

 No Solution Yet Submitted by SilverKnight Rating: 4.0000 (5 votes)

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I think James got to it. The chances of ANY of the three prisoners being pardoned cannot change due to any comments made by the warden.
The warden's information and any subsequent data exchange between him and the prisoners, or among the prisoners, are statistically independent from the selection process that only involved three slips and a hat (and this selection has not been altered in any way, while changes DO happen in the 'similar' problem suggested).
So the chances for any of the prisoners to survive remain at 1/3.
Made even simpler, let's say we know nothing of this and we just come across the result AFTER the two have been executed. The survivor's chances have NOT grown to 100% just because the outcome is now known to us (or him, for that matter). Even now, the process itself implies that he had 1/3 chances of being pardoned anyway.
 Posted by zaphod on 2004-01-09 00:57:53

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