 All about flooble | fun stuff | Get a free chatterbox | Free JavaScript | Avatars  perplexus dot info  Make it go! (Posted on 2005-03-18) You kick a ball over a flat field. Taking into account gravity, but disregarding everything else like wind, friction, bounces, etc., etc., at what angle should you kick it so the ball lands the farthest away from you? And at what angle should you kick it so the ball makes the longest trajectory before landing?

 See The Solution Submitted by Federico Kereki Rating: 4.5000 (2 votes) Comments: ( Back to comment list | You must be logged in to post comments.) About convergence and the physical meaning of the negative solution. | Comment 15 of 17 | The reason Charlie's second program does not converge to the positive solution is because his numberical technique is not guaranteed to allways work.

To see why, make a plot of tan a, and e^(1/sin a)-sec a. Begining close to the positive solution (where they cross), follow  Charlie's program  by  drawing vertical and horizontal lines, and you will see that it is doomed to spiral out of control until it finds a negative angle.

Here are some trivial (non-transcendental) examples of the capricious behavior of Charlie's numerical technique,

x = -x. Never converges to x = 0.

x = x^2, can converge to x =0, but never to x = 1.

x = sqrt(x), allways converges to 1, never to x = 0.

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The negative angle Charlie found does have a physical meaning; it correspond to the angle measured at the ball's landing spot!.

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At the same time one could ask, why did you not find the solution at 180-56.5 = 123.5 (the "backward" kick)?. The reason is because during the math steps, I took sec a = sqrt(1 + tan^2 a), which not valid for 90 < a < 270 where sec a = -sqrt(1+tan^2 a).

Retracing the algebra steps, I get that for a backward kick, (90 < a < 270) the extreme trajectories are at,

dL/da ~ 1 + sin a * ln[tan a - sec a] = 0.

The nice thing is that this time,

a = arctan[e^(-1/sin a) + sec a] + 180

does converge to 123.5 (at least it does so graphically, Charlie can try it if he wants).

Finally, there is another "solution" at 180 + 56.5 =236.5, which is the angle measured at the landing spot of a ball that is "backward kicked". To get to this solution this we would have to use a more reliable numerical method (such as Newton's formula).

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