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The logician's favorite game (Posted on 2005-03-18) Difficulty: 3 of 5
A logician has a favorite game to play at parties. He shows a set of solidly colored stickers to all his logician friends. Each logician, without looking, puts a random sticker on his/her own back. Each logician can only see the stickers on other people's backs, and no one can look at the unused stickers. The logicians take turns announcing whether they can deduce their own color. The game ends when someone announces he/she can deduce his/her own color.

One time while playing this game, no one had yet ended the game even though everyone had a turn. Should they continue to take second turns, or should they just give up and start a new game? Prove that it is impossible for a game that hasn't ended after everyone's first turn to ever end, or provide a counterexample.

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Would this round be possible? | Comment 17 of 29 |
3 logicians, labelled a,b,c
6 stickers:  3 red, 3 blue

imagine if they were distributed as:
a: blue
b: red
c: blue

right now, the logicians knows two things:
a) these stickers were randomly distributed
b) have a 50% chance to guess what their colour is. 

Simple Scenario One:  The Silent Treatment

Assumptions:
a) logicians may pass their turn
b) logicians will not announce they can deduce their own colour unless they are 100% certain

logician a sees a red/blue pattern, and does not guess, since a has a 2/4 chance of having red and 2/4 of having blue.  logician a announces that he/she cannot deduce his/her own colour.

logician b sees blue on both sides, and has a 1/4 chance of blue and 3/4 chance of red.  does this mean logician b is justified in guessing that the sticker is red?  if by "announcing they can deduce their own color" means, they know for sure, then 3/4 may not be good enough.  logician b believes that logician a could be in the same spot;  if logician a sees blue on both sides, would logician a answer?  logician b announces that he/she cannot deduce his/her own colour based on logician a's silence.

logician c sees a red/blue pattern, and has a 2/4 chance of red or blue.  logician c thinks, is it possible that both a and b to see a red/blue pattern?  no.  now obviously, c has one colour in common with a or b, which means one of them saw the other two of the same colour.  but this doesn't really help c make a decision, so logician c announces that he/she cannot deduce his/her own colour based on logician a and b's silence.

in this case, the game will not end after the first round, because no one will ever be sure how the randomness works

Simple Scenario Two: The Guessing Game

Assumptions:
a) logicians may pass their turn
b) logicians may attempt their deduction, but will be told whether they are wrong or not.
c) there is no penalties in guessing

logician a sees the same setup, but since there are no penalties in guessing, guesses red, and is wrong.

logician b sees both blue, and guesses blue, and is wrong.

logician c sees red and blue, and seeing that both a and b were wrong, guesses red, and is wrong.

round one is over.

round two ... since logician a got red wrong the first time, announces that the sticker can be deduced through trial and error in the first round.  wins. 

My Thoughts:
a) i keep thinking back to the question where it says, "a logician has a favourite game to play at parties."  if this was some sort of a trick, such as scenario two, his logician friends would have found out a long time ago, and would know the trick

b) logicians are trying to deduce what they are randomly given.  with a diverse set of stickers, it would be just as impossible as pasting randomly generated numbers on their backs and trying to deduce each one.  most of the games would either be won in round one (3 logicians, 2 red, 3 blue), or go on indefinitely (3 logicians, 3 red, 3 blue, 3 pink, 3 black, 3 orange, etc) if they are not allowed to guess, be wrong, and try again. 

  Posted by starlitsky on 2005-03-23 23:11:07
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