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Peculiar Plane Points? (Posted on 2005-08-03) Difficulty: 4 of 5
Given three points on a plane, at rational distances from each other, can you always find at least another point in the same plane such that the distances to the other three are also rational?

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Given three coplanar points, either the three points form a triangle, or they are colinear. 

If they are colinear, we can simply pick another point on the same line that is a rational distance from one of our given points, and it will be a rational distance from all of them. 

If the points are not cloinear, they form a triangle.  Pick one of the three points arbitrarily, and call that the origin (O).  Pick one of the two remaining points, call it A and assign it the cartesian coordinates (a, 0), where a is the distance from O to A.  This determines a coordinate system for the plane, and the remaining point (B) has the coordinates (bx, by).  We know that the points are all a rational distance apart, which gives us the following (by the Pythagorean theorem):

  • i) a is rational
  • ii) bx^2 + by^2 is rational
  • iii) (a-bx)^2 + by^2 is rational

Expanding iii), we get:

  • iv) a^2 - 2a*bx + bx^2 +by^2 is rational

Which implies (using i) and ii)) that 2a*bx is rational, so:

  • v) bx is rational, and thus
  • vi) by^2 is rational.

Define a new point C at (2bx, 0).  Now we have the following distances:

  • |OC| = |2bx| (rational)
  • |AC| = |a - 2bx| (rational)
  • |BC| = sqrt(bx^2 + by^2) = |OB| (rational)

The only wrinkle is if C is not distinct from O or A [note: it must be distinct from B because by can't be zero since O, A, and B are non-colinear]. 

If C = O, then angle BOA is a right angle, and the solution is simple (eg. let C1 = (-a,0)).

If C = A, it's trickier.  If O, A, and B don't form an equilateral triangle, we can start over choosing a different O and the problem will be averted. 

If O, A, and B form an equilateral triangle, I haven't been able to find a point thats a rational distance from the original three, or a proof that one doesn't exist.  As it stands, I've proven that such a point exists in all cases except the equilateral triangle case.


  Posted by Josh70679 on 2005-08-03 20:56:05
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