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One 1 to Six 6's (Posted on 2015-07-01) Difficulty: 4 of 5
A standard six-sided die is to be rolled repeatedly until a side appears a number of times equal to its number. In other words until the n-th n appears.

Let P(n)=the probability the game terminates with the n-th n.

Find the distribution of n.

Feel free to generalize for m sides.

Warning: I have not managed this past m=4.

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Solution computer aided solution | Comment 2 of 14 |
n    prob(decimal)    prob (exact)
1  0.6881516453401  8987738063/13060694016
2  0.2125194475337  925217159/4353564672
3  0.0685578584217  895413211/13060694016
4  0.0218963008044  285980885/13060694016
5  0.0068166367662  9892223/1451188224
6  0.0020581121476  26880373/13060694016

1.0000000010136
144.252

The UBASIC program

10 a=          8987738063//13060694016
20 b=          925217159//4353564672
30 c=          895413211//13060694016
40 d=          285980885//13060694016
50 e=          9892223//1451188224
60 f=          26880373//13060694016
70 print a+b+c+d+e+f

verifies the total of the exact fractions is exactly 1. The decimals, as can be seen from the decimal total, cannot be trusted beyond 8 places, as they came from many small pieces; in fact 572,493,416 additions, as determined by adding a counter to the program, of the probabilities went into the calculation: one for each possible sequence leading to a positive result. The 144.252 is the number of seconds the calculation took (just counting the number of additions added 40 seconds to this total).


The calculation was in the form of a recursive routine, that fortunately doesn't have to go through all 6^16 possibilities (just the above-mentioned over half a billion possibilities) of the first 16 throws (at which point you're assured that some number will hit, as at 15 throws, you could have no 1's, one 2, two 3's, three 4's, four 5's and five 6's). As soon as you account for rolling a 1, you need not go down the path of whatever may follow; similarly for the second 2, etc.:

DefDbl A-Z
Dim crlf$, currprob, currnum, p4no(6), had(6), hist(16), num(6)
Function mform$(x, t$)
  a$ = Format$(x, t$)
  If Len(a$) < Len(t$) Then a$ = Space$(Len(t$) - Len(a$)) & a$
  mform$ = a$
End Function

Private Sub Form_Load()
 t = Timer
 Text1.Text = ""
 crlf$ = Chr(13) + Chr(10)
 Form1.Visible = True

 currprob = 1
 currnum = Int(6 ^ 16 + 0.5) ' first numerator, to make fraction = 1
 doNext 1

 For i = 1 To 6
   Text1.Text = Text1.Text & i & mform(p4no(i), "  0.0000000000000")
   g = gcd(num(i), Int(6 ^ 16 + 0.5))
   Text1.Text = Text1.Text & "  " & num(i) / g & "/" & Int(6 ^ 16 + 0.5) / g & crlf
   totl = totl + p4no(i)
 Next
  Text1.Text = Text1.Text & mform(totl, "0.0000000000000") & crlf
  Text1.Text = Text1.Text & Timer - t

End Sub

Sub doNext(wh)
 prevprob = currprob
 currprob = currprob / 6
 currnum = Int(currnum / 6 + 0.5)
 
 For choice = 1 To 6
   had(choice) = had(choice) + 1
   
   hist(wh) = choice
   If wh = 2 Then Text2.Text = hist(1) & Str(hist(2)): DoEvents
   
   If had(choice) = choice Then
     p4no(choice) = p4no(choice) + currprob
     num(choice) = num(choice) + currnum
   Else
     doNext wh + 1
   End If
   
   had(choice) = had(choice) - 1
 Next
 
 currprob = prevprob
 currnum = currnum * 6
End Sub

Function gcd(a, b)
  x = a: y = b
  Do
   q = Int(x / y)
   z = x - q * y
   x = y: y = z
  Loop Until z = 0
  gcd = x
End Function


Simulation verifies

1 6881809 .6881809
2 2123866 .2123866
3 686921 .0686921
4 218414 .0218414
5 68281 .0068281
6 20709 .0020709

where the code

 Randomize Timer
 For trial = 1 To 1000000
   ReDim h(6)
   Do
     r = Int(6 * Rnd(1) + 1)
     h(r) = h(r) + 1
     If h(r) = r Then
       ct(r) = ct(r) + 1
       trct = trct + 1
       Exit Do
     End If
   Loop
 Next
 
 For r = 1 To 6
  Text1.Text = Text1.Text & r & Str(ct(r)) & Str(ct(r) / trct) & crlf
 Next

was executed 10 times (in response to manually clicking a button each time) with the counts accumulating to simulate 10 million trials.

  Posted by Charlie on 2015-07-01 17:00:33
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