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John, Jack, A, and B (Posted on 2024-07-09) Difficulty: 4 of 5
A logician named John went to the Land of Knights and Liars. He met two inhabitants, A and B. He asked A two questions.

John:Has B ever said that you are a liar?
A answered, either "Yes" or "No."
John:Is B a liar?
A answered, either "Yes" or "No."

The next day, another logician named Jack went to the Land of Knights and Liars. He met the same two inhabitants, A and B. He also asked A two questions.

Jack:Has B ever said that you are both liars?
A answered, either "Yes" or "No."
Jack:Is B a liar?
A answered, either "Yes" or "No."

One of the two logicians, John and Jack, could figure out what types A and B were, but the other logician could not figure out their types. What are A and B?

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Solution Second attempt Comment 3 of 3 |
So, I got the right answer, but made some mistakes which mean that my reasoning was not quite right.  Let's try all over again.

There are a few cases:
1) B is a Knight and said nothing about A
2) B is a Knight and A is a liar and B said so
3) B is a Liar and he said nothing about A
4) B is a liar and A is a Knight and B called A liar
5) B is a liar and A is a Knight and B called them both liars

Then the Answer table is as follows:

Row A  B  B said           Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4
--- -  -  -----------      -- -- -- --
1   K  K  1) Nothing       N  N  N  N
2   K  L  3) Nothing       N  Y  N  Y
3   K  L  4) A lies        Y  Y  N  Y
4   K  L  5) We both lie   Y  Y  Y  Y
5   L  K  1) Nothing       Y  Y  Y  Y
6   L  K  2) A lies        N  Y  Y  Y
7   L  L  3) Nothing       Y  N  Y  N

John can only work it out if he gets a N N or a Y N  (rows 1 or 7)
Jack can only work it out if he gets a Y N or a N Y or a N N  (rows 1, 2, 3, or 7)

The only rows where one logician can work it out and the other cannot are rows 2 and 3.

So, A is a Knight and B is a liar.  We don't know if B ever said that A lies, but we know that he never said that they both lie.

  Posted by Steve Herman on 2024-07-12 13:11:25
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