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Self-numbers and generators (Posted on 2018-05-23) Difficulty: 4 of 5
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For any positive integer n, define d(n) to be n plus the sum of the digits of n.
For example, d(79) = 79 + 7 + 9 = 95.
Take integer n as a starting point, you can construct the infinite increasing sequence of integers n, d(n), d(d(n)), d(d(d(n))), ....etc
For example, if you start with 33, the next number is 33 + 3 + 3 = 39, the next
is 39 + 3 + 9 = 51, the next is 51 + 5 + 1 = 57, and so you generate the sequence : 33, 39, 51, 57, 69, 84, 96, 111, 114, 120, 123, 129, 141, ...
The number n is called a generator of d(n). In the sequence above, 33 is a generator of 39, 39 is a generator of 51, 51 is a generator of 57, and so on. Some numbers have more than one generator: for example, 101 has two generators, 91 and 100.
A number with no generators is a self-number.

There are thirteen self-numbers less than 100: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 20, 31, 42, 53, 64, 75, 86, and 97.

end background

Now come my questions:

a.(d2) What is the smallest n making a 10n a self number?

b.(d4) Checking integers with 1 in the beginning, 1 in the end and n-1 zeros between the ones (i.e.10n+1) what value of n creates a number with 3 generators ?

c.(d5 or d4 after a hint) What is the smallest number with 4 generators ?

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Some Thoughts a. analytic, b. computer, solutions (spoilers for a and b) | Comment 1 of 8
Part a:

Since 1 is a self number, n=0 is the smallest n making 10^n a self number.

For parts b and c, a program output:

Part b:
1 1
2 2
3 2
4 2
5 2
6 2
7 2
8 2
9 2
10 2
11 1
12 2
13 3
   10000000000000
   9999999999901
   9999999999892
14 2
15 1

10^13 + 1 has the three generators shown, being 10^13, 10^13-99 and 10^13-108.

Part c:
 done
 
So no answers were found for part c. It would seem that some such number exists along the lines of 10^13+1, but with a much higher power of 10, outside of the searchable area; but even if we found the appropriate power there'd be no guarantee that a smaller value wouldn't work that doesn't fit the pattern of 10^n+1, unless a proof were offered that multiple-generator numbers must fit that form.
 
DefDbl A-Z
Dim crlf$


Private Sub Form_Load()
 Form1.Visible = True
 Text1.Text = ""
 crlf = Chr(13) + Chr(10)
 
 Text1.Text = Text1.Text & "Part b:" & crlf
 p10 = 10
 For n = 1 To 15
   self = p10 + 1
   
   noGen = 0
   For gen = p10 To p10 - 10 * n Step -1
      If gen + sod(gen) = self Then noGen = noGen + 1
   Next
   Text1.Text = Text1.Text & n & Str(noGen) & crlf
   If noGen = 3 Then
    For gen = p10 To p10 - 10 * n Step -1
      If gen + sod(gen) = self Then Text1.Text = Text1.Text & "  " & Str(gen) & crlf
    Next
   
   End If
   p10 = 10 * p10
 Next
 
 Text1.Text = Text1.Text & crlf & "Part c:"
 l10 = Log(10)
 For n = 1 To 10000000
    noGen = 0
    For gen = n - 1 To n - 10 * Log(n) / l10 Step -1
     DoEvents
      If gen + sod(gen) = n Then noGen = noGen + 1
    Next
    If noGen > 3 Then Text1.Text = Text1.Text & n & Str(noGen) & crlf
 Next
 
 
 Text1.Text = Text1.Text & crlf & " done"
  
End Sub

Function sod(n)
  s$ = LTrim(Str(n))
  tot = 0
  For i = 1 To Len(s$)
   tot = tot + Val(Mid(s$, i, 1))
  Next
  sod = tot
End Function

 

  Posted by Charlie on 2018-05-23 13:47:34
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