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Fibonacci but with Subtraction still stays Positive (Posted on 2023-02-15) Difficulty: 3 of 5
Let D[n] be a sequence whose values are recursively related by D[n] = D[n-2] - D[n-1].

D[1] is fixed to be equal to 1. Most choices of D[2] will result in a sequence which eventually has some n such that D[n] is negative.

What is the set of values for D[2] exist such that all terms of D[n] are positive?

  Submitted by Brian Smith    
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Let D[2]=x then the sequence continues as
D[3] = 1 - x
D[4] = -1 + 2x
D[5] = 2 - 3x
D[6] = -3 + 5x
D[7] = 5 - 8x
D[8] = -8 + 13x
D[9] = 13 - 21x

Its pretty easy to see the pattern with Fibonacci numbers. So let them be represented by F[n] with F[0]=0 and F[1]=1. Then the sequence looks like this:
D[3] = F[1] - F[2]x
D[4] = -F[2] + F[3]x
D[5] = F[3] - F[4]x
D[6] = -F[4] + F[5]x
D[7] = F[5] - F[6]x
D[8] = -F[6] + F[7]x
D[9] = F[7] - F[8]x

Now it is more clear we have two rules, one for odd terms and one for even terms:
D[2m] = -F[2m-2] + F[2m-1]x
D[2m+1] = F[2m-1] - F[2m]x

Both of these must be greater than zero. So solving each inequality for x we can create the compound inequality
F[2m-2]/F[2m-1] < x < F[2m-1]/F[2m]

The ratio of consecutive terms of the Fibonacci sequence, F[2m+1]/F[2m], approach the golden ratio, phi = (1+sqrt(5))/2. So if we apply that limit to the ends of our inequality, then we get that potential x can only be the single value 1/phi = (-1+sqrt(5))/2.
1/phi obeys the relation 1 - 1/phi = (1/phi)^2. So with that we can write the sequence with x = 1/phi as:
D[3] = (1/phi)^2
D[4] = (1/phi)^3
D[5] = (1/phi)^4
D[6] = (1/phi)^5
D[7] = (1/phi)^6
D[8] = (1/phi)^7
D[9] = (1/phi)^8

Clearly this is a geometric series, so we know the terms are all positive. This establishes D[2] = (-1+sqrt(5))/2 as the single value of D[2] for which the sequence D[n] is always positive.

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Some ThoughtsPuzzle ThoughtsK Sengupta2023-02-22 02:25:00
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