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Age function (Posted on 2023-08-17) Difficulty: 2 of 5
A polynomial f with integer coefficients is written on the blackboard. The teacher is a mathematician who has 3 kids named Andrew, Beth and Charles. Andrew, who is 7, is the youngest, and Charles is the oldest. When evaluating the polynomial on his kids' ages he obtains:

f(7) = 77
f(b) = 85, where b is Beth's age,
f(c) = 0, where c is Charles' age.

How old is each child?

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Solution Solution a slightly different way | Comment 3 of 7 |
consider f(b) - f(a)

if f is a polynomial it's the sum of terms like n*x^p where n and p are integers and p >= 0. That difference, then, has terms that look like n*(b^p - a^p) where p > 0 and zero when p = 0.  Now, (b-a) is always a divisor of (b^p - a^p) regardless of p, so that difference must have (b-a) as a factor.

Using this with the first pair, f(b) - f(7) = 85 - 77 = 8 and so (b - 7) must divide 8. Also, b > 7 since we're given the order of the ages of the kids. (b-7), then, must be one of (1, 2, 4, 8).

Using this with the first and third gives f(c) - f(7) = 0 - 77 = -77, and so (c-7) must divide -77. (c-7) is positive, so it must be one of (1, 7, 11, 77).

Finally using this with the latter two ages gives f(c) - f(b) = 0 - 85 = -85 and so (c-b) must divide -85 and so must be one of (1, 5, 13, 85).

From the first pair, we have (b-7) in {1,2,4,8) and so b in {8, 9, 11, 15}
From the second pair we have (c-7) in {1,7,11,77} and so c in {8, 14, 18, 84}, but c cannot be 8 or else there'd be no possible age for b given that b >7 and b < c. So c is in {14, 18, 84}

Finally, the last pair demands (c-b) be one of {1, 5, 13, 85}. 85 isn't possible because c-b can't be > c. If the max difference is now 13, then c = 84 isn't possible because the min difference in that case is 69. The max difference remaining is 18 - 8 = 10, so (c-b) can't be 13. If c can now only be one of {14, 18} and (c-b) were 1 then b would have to be one of {13, 17} neither of which are possible. So (c-b) is 5, c is in {14, 18}, and b is one of {9,13}. Here at last there's a sole possibility, since b *can* be 9, and that's the solution.

a = 7, b = 9, and c = 14.

It's a pretty cool finding for a problem like this that we don't actually need to assume anything about the degree of the polynomial f. I'd not have expected that to be possible.

  Posted by Paul on 2023-08-19 14:50:41
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