All about flooble | fun stuff | Get a free chatterbox | Free JavaScript | Avatars    
perplexus dot info

Home > Shapes > Geometry
Eight Points (Posted on 2008-02-01) Difficulty: 3 of 5
Eight points are placed on the surface of a sphere with a radius of 1. The shortest distance between any two points is greater than 1.2. How can the points be arranged?

Hint: They are not arranged as a cube. The cube would have an edge length of only 2/sqrt(3) = 1.1547.

  Submitted by Brian Smith    
Rating: 4.4000 (5 votes)
Solution: (Hide)
The points are arranged into two squares on parallel planes. One square is roatated 45 degrees relative to the other. This shape is known as a square antiprism.

Let the verticies of one square have coordinates (a,a,b), (a,-a,b), (-a,a,b), (-a,-a,b), with a>0, b>0.
The verticies of the other square would have coordinates of (c,0,-d), (0,c,-d), (-c,0,-d), (0,-c,-d), with c>0, d>0.

Since all the points are on a sphere with radius 1, then two equations can be formed:
2a^2 + b^2 = 1
c^2 + d^2 = 1

The distance is maximized when the edges are equal, otherwise there would be some 'wiggle room' to increase shorter edges.
2a = c*sqrt(2) = sqrt((c-a)^2 + a^2 + (b+d)^2)

Rewrite the compound equation as:
4a^2 = (c-a)^2 + a^2 + (b+d)^2
a*sqrt(2) = c

Substitute the expression for c into the other equations:
2a^2 + b^2 = 1
2a^2 + d^2 = 1
4a^2 = (a*sqrt(2)-a)^2 + a^2 + (b+d)^2

From the first two equations, b=d. Then:
2a^2 + b^2 = 1
4a^2 = (a*sqrt(2)-a)^2 + a^2 + (2b)^2

Substituing the first into the second and simplifying yields:
4a^2 = (sqrt(2)-1)^2*a^2 + a^2 + 4*(1-2a^2)^2
0 = (-8 - 2*sqrt(2))a^2 + 4
a = sqrt( 2 / (4+sqrt(2)) ) = sqrt( (4-sqrt(2)) / 7 )

The edge length equals 2*a, which is 2*sqrt( (4-sqrt(2)) / 7 ) = 1.21556

Comments: ( You must be logged in to post comments.)
  Subject Author Date
Some ThoughtsPuzzle ThoughtsK Sengupta2023-06-06 22:43:41
Some ThoughtsMore for Charlie's thoughtful consideration [Close out]FrankM2008-02-11 21:36:15
re(5): More for Charlie's thoughtful considerationCharlie2008-02-06 00:36:23
Some Thoughtsre(4): More for Charlie's thoughtful considerationFrankM2008-02-05 21:37:04
re(3): For Charlie's thoughtful considerationCharlie2008-02-04 23:29:03
Some Thoughtsre(2): For Charlie's thoughtful considerationFrankM2008-02-04 19:37:38
re: For Charlie's thoughtful considerationCharlie2008-02-03 23:46:25
Some ThoughtsIronic, amusingFrankM2008-02-03 21:46:00
Some ThoughtsFor Charlie's thoughtful considerationFrankM2008-02-03 21:42:15
Solutioncorrection; real answerCharlie2008-02-03 12:50:46
re(2): Summary?Bractals2008-02-03 12:06:04
re(6): Further improvementCharlie2008-02-03 11:50:52
re: Summary?Charlie2008-02-03 11:23:01
re(5): Further improvementFrankM2008-02-02 23:42:52
Summary?brianjn2008-02-02 19:58:21
re(5): Further improvementCharlie2008-02-02 12:28:56
re(4): Further improvementCharlie2008-02-02 10:45:59
re(4): SolutionCharlie2008-02-02 10:40:29
re(3): Further improvementFrankM2008-02-02 07:11:34
re(3): SolutionBractals2008-02-02 04:53:35
re(3): Solutionbrianjn2008-02-02 03:46:26
Solutionre(2): SolutionCharlie2008-02-02 01:53:25
re: Solutionbrianjn2008-02-02 00:38:36
re(4): SolutionCharlie2008-02-01 19:16:38
re(3): SolutionBractals2008-02-01 15:40:01
re(2): SolutionDej Mar2008-02-01 13:49:38
re: SolutionBractals2008-02-01 13:41:20
re: SolutionBractals2008-02-01 13:34:43
SolutionSolutionDej Mar2008-02-01 13:10:59
Please log in:
Login:
Password:
Remember me:
Sign up! | Forgot password


Search:
Search body:
Forums (1)
Newest Problems
Random Problem
FAQ | About This Site
Site Statistics
New Comments (6)
Unsolved Problems
Top Rated Problems
This month's top
Most Commented On

Chatterbox:
Copyright © 2002 - 2024 by Animus Pactum Consulting. All rights reserved. Privacy Information